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Dear Yuletide Writer,

Thank you so much in advance for writing a fic for me! I'm very excited to read whatever you write. Under the cut you can find some DNWs as well as some general points of interest I have for the fandoms in my requests that I thought might be helpful:


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Dear Yuletide Writer,

Thank you so much in advance for writing me a fic! This is my fourth year doing Yuletide, and I've had a blast every time. I'm really excited to read whatever you write!

On to the details:


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CW for extended discussion of suicide, suicidal ideation, hospitalization, and syfy’s the magicians.

recently i’ve had a lot of time on my hands, and so obviously i’ve been thinking about a comment i saw a few months ago on a magicians instagram post. the comment, which was left in response to an ongoing debate about the season 4 finale of the magicians (and liked by executive producer of the show chris fisher), argued that mentally ill people shouldn’t watch shows in which bad things happen to mentally ill characters because they might confuse it with real life and be triggered by it. the implication of this comment was that criticism of the show by mentally ill people is not worth listening and responding to because it’s unreasonable - because we have, in some way, confused the show with real life, and taken to heart the events that happened in it too deeply. furthermore, it implies that the solution to this is for mentally ill people to avoid being a part of the audience of the magicians.

this is an interesting argument to make given that quentin, one of the main characters in the show, is canonically depressed - very seriously so, at points. if we assume that the comment’s argument is correct, the question has to be asked: who is quentin for, and who is meant to relate to him, if not mentally ill viewers? of course, we also have to ask if this argument is correct in the first place. the answer is that it clearly isn’t, but it seemed to me to be worth some consideration - after all, i spent two or three days after watching the season 4 finale deeply depressed and barely functional, and that’s a reaction i’m eager to avoid having ever again.

so, some thoughts on the magicians, portrayals of mental illness and suicide in media, and criticism of those portrayals:

while thinking about this, i’ve realized that an awful lot of the media most important to me (e.g. flowers, the fall, please like me, wolf in white van, the goldfinch) involves bad things happening to mentally ill characters - including said characters trying or even succeeding in killing themselves. one of the assumptions that the comment’s argument makes is that all approaches to depicting mental illness are equal. but i’d be remiss if i didn’t note that none of these books, shows, or movies sent me spiraling into a depressive episode when i first encountered them, and that they all remain dear to me. i have rewatched/read and enjoyed all them several times, and often felt gratified to see my experiences with mental illness and suicidal ideation reflected in them. to me, this proves that there are responsible, non-triggering ways to portray these difficult, horrible, isolating experiences. (which is not to say that my experience with any of this is universal, but the fallout from the magicians‘ handling of suicide has been much more widespread and longlasting than i’ve seen with any other media concerning similar topics).

up until the season 4 finale, i counted the magicians as one of those shows i could watch to feel less alone. i was especially grateful to see a depressed character who has a difficult history with hospitalization and medication, something i strongly relate to. quentin is a character who makes it through almost four seasons of television by the skin of his teeth, without ever Solving The Problem of his depression, because on some levels it’s unsolvable, but learning and growing and loving all the same. i watched all of this, and thought it was good, and right, and important.

and then the season finale happened, and the magicians amply and unexpectedly demonstrated that there are also terrible, irresponsible ways to write about mental illness and suicide. the morning after the s4 finale i wrote:

i think i’m so upset because every part of quentin’s struggle with depression has been deeply resonant with my own experiences, up to and including his death, and that is not how i want to feel about someone who kills himself! i would like to see differences. i would like to see noticeable and appreciable differences!

and i keep thinking about that comment. wondering if along the way i did confuse something fictional with real life, if i made the same mistake quentin makes in relying too heavily on stories that let him down and make him try to be things he’s not.

but then i think, yknow, quentin is meant to be a character you see yourself in. the magicians was a show that purposefully appealed to people like q - people like me. he’s the audience surrogate, the depressed everyman, the person whose relationship with fiction is meant to reflect our own. he’s the guy who starts the show in a mental hospital. who in the world was meant to relate to quentin if not the people who have also sat on the other side of a desk from a doctor and told lies to try and get out of a hospital ward?

and the writers must’ve been aware of that. i say that not out of optimism, which i absolutely don’t have when it comes to this show, but because as late as the episode prior to the finale, they acknowledged that quentin was a character who was representative of a kind of relationship with fiction that is somewhat maladaptive, but also sometimes absolutely vital to survival. quentin says, in episode 4x12,

the idea of fillory is what saved my life. this promise that people like me, people like me, can somehow find an escape.

it should go without saying that you don’t make that kind of character kill himself  - or, if you prefer, ‘sacrifice himself in a premeditated act that guaranteed his death, after ensuring he wouldn’t be rescued, and after spending a season with serious ongoing trauma he was unable to process.’ you don’t spin his death into something heroic. and you don’t spend a season afterwards having everyone he cared about talk about how trying to save him would be disrespecting how much his death meant for them, as though his life meant less. as though his life didn’t mean anything to him. it feels really obvious, as i type this, that you shouldn’t do that. and i don’t mean that in a moralizing way - we have studies that suggest portraying suicides like this can lead to a spike in copycat suicides. writers discussing these topics have a very real duty to doing so responsibly, carefully, and preferably in consultation with organizations or people who can provide feedback. to the best of my knowledge, the writers of the magicians did not do this.

i’ve become very aware in the last year that there are right ways and wrong ways to write about these topics. and so i find it hard to buy the argument that i’m still so deeply unhappy about the magicians because i’m someone who can’t be trusted to decide something as simple as what media to engage with. i’m capable of being discerning, and i go out of my way to avoid things i think i can’t handle. the magicians didn’t slip through because i thought it’d be fun to add ‘suicidally depressed’ back onto my resume. it slipped through because it started out telling a story in a way that felt right, and then it took an abrupt, awful turn.

likewise, i find it hard to believe that i should be barred from criticizing the magicians because i was hurt too deeply by it - or that my criticism, my unreasonable, illegitimate criticism, is the reason why the show was canceled. there are people who can reasonably be blamed for how and why the magicians ended, and people who can’t be. something else that should go without saying: the actors and the audience are not in that first category. my recognition that the show’s treatment of quentin’s death is a seriously cautionary tale on a number of levels is not a problem. writing that story in the first place, and continuing to defend it in the face of any and all criticism is.

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A very long time ago (March 18, 2019), I was about halfway through the first season of the Magicians and thought I'd try my hand at writing a fic. That fic was not good, and I soon moved on to other things (mostly more ficwriting), but I'm feeling nostalgic about the Magicians so I thought I'd put it up, partly out of sentiment and partly because it's a good way to remind myself that I've gotten leagues better at writing in the last year, and that's mainly been due to the Magicians fandom and the fantastic writers and readers in it! I won't miss what the show became, but I will miss the camaraderie.

Anyway, here, as promised, is the fic. It's set in either another timeline or an AU of early s1, and it is...what it is. Mostly bad, but also fun.

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Dear Yuletide Author,

Thanks in advance for whatever you write! I'm very excited to read it.

Couple flat DNWs: character death for any nominated characters (even if it's canonical...let Smike live...), incest, CSA, really graphic gore. Body horror is like...as long as it isn't in the graphic/gratuitous gore side of things, that's alright.

General likes: niche AUs, explorations of internalized homophobia and/or abuse, tenderness.

Nicholas Nickleby

As you may or may not be aware, dear author, there are approximately 15 Nicholas Nickleby fics on AO3, so like, I'll take anything as long as Smike lives through it. I tend to think canon setting for Nicholas/Smike, but if you've got an idea for an AU, I'd be interested in that as well.

The Penumbra Podcast: Juno Steel

I just got into this podcast in the last month, and I'm still not totally caught up - in the backhalf of s2, currently, although I'm sure I'll be caught up by the time posting dates come around. Anyway, I'm especially interested in Buddy/Vespa, which is the romance of the century imo, Juno/Peter, general crime family shenanigans, and character study stuff on Juno and Peter. I love the whole premise and setting of the Juno Steel stories, so anything that features that would be really cool!

God's Own Country

Post-canon 'how do they actually make it work' stuff would be especially interesting for Johnny and Gheorghe - I liked the ending of the movie, but I think getting to that initial point of 'I am willing to be brave enough to tell you I want this to work' is a really different proposition to like, Johnny being willing to acknowledge Gheorghe as his partner when they go down to the local. So - how does it work?

The Watchmaker of Filigree Street, The Fall, and Kentucky Route Zero

I don't really have any specific ideas for these fandoms - I'd just be fascinated to see what you can come up with.

I can say that Keita Mori is one of the most interesting characters I've read about in a long time, and the entire thing with him and Thaniel is so intriguing - how does it work out, post-canon?

The Fall is beautiful, and sad, and a little ambiguous. I think this could be hard to write for. Roy POV during canon? Finding a way to spin out that same atmosphere post-canon? idk!

Kentucky Route Zero...oh man. So much to explore there, in terms of the setting and the economic commentary. I'm very fond of Junebug, Johnny, Conway, and Shannon, and also that kid who got carried off by an eagle whose name I've forgotten, but yknow, whatever you can think of!

Looking forward to reveals, and good luck with the writing!




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so i was thinking about how lab rat blues is a boris/theo song, and the reason goes something like this:

they’re drunk one evening in boris’ room, maybe a few weeks after theo blacked out and showed boris the painting. boris keeps thinking about it, because it’s worth a lot of money, but also he’s fucking thrilled at the fact that theo, who has this increasingly tarnished innocent shine, has been carrying around this stolen painting - this huge secret crime - for years. he’s delighted by it, in the way that it can be delightful to learn new things about people whom you thought you knew absolutely.


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chapter 2! I've been posting snippets of it on tumblr, but have generally refrained from admitting that the central trope of this fic has slightly fallen by the wayside. Hopefully I'll get back to it in chapter 3.

all our unwanted pieces left under the ice (6707 words) by patrokla
Chapters: 2/4
Fandom: The Magicians (TV)
Rating: Mature
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Quentin Coldwater/Eliot Waugh, Margo Hanson/Eliot Waugh, Margo Hanson & Eliot Waugh
Characters: Eliot Waugh, Margo Hanson, Quentin Coldwater, Fen (The Magicians), Tick Pickwick
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Aftermath of Possession, Canadian Shack, Drunk Sex, Queer Friendship, a lot of emotions for something that was supposed to be tropey!, Other Additional Tags to Be Added, Episode: s03e05 A Life in the Day, Mental Health Issues, Dubiously Erotic Sex
Summary:

"The Long Winter, as Eliot remembers it, and as Tick still insists on explaining twice that day, is exactly as it sounds: a long fucking winter."

Or, the one where Eliot, Margo, and Quentin get snowed in at Castle Whitespire.

a drabble

May. 16th, 2019 12:55 am
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Wrote this at that ideal writing hour between 2:39 and 3:39 am a few days ago - it was meant to segue into a discussion of the Eliot/Eric scene from the first Magicians book, but I have no idea how I planned on getting there. So I'm posting it here instead.

Morning arrived with indecent light and heat, as it always seemed to do after a long night of drinking. Quentin found himself awake only a few hours after he’d accidentally drifted off, blinking muzzily to awareness in the rumpled living room of the Cottage. Read more... )
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I was feeling extremely sorry for myself this morning, so I decided to watch "The World in the Walls," which is - was, pre-finale - a weird bit of comfort TV. I like(d) the literally nightmarish portrayal of a mental hospital, I like(d) even more that Quentin escapes it, with the help of his friends. I like(d) that level of ambiguity that the episode brings to Quentin's relationship with sex - that part of his nightmare was being stuck with people who were his friends, but now were only interested in sleeping with him (and pills). That episode was the one that made the show click for me. I'd been on the fence before that, liking the characters a bit, disliking some of the more graphic violence, worrying about how the show would handle mental health issues...but in that one episode, everything seemed to come together perfectly.

Anyway, I watched the episode. I'm a little embarrassed to say that I teared up a bit, watching Quentin look around the hospital and insist that this isn't his life - this can't be his life. I watched Quentin, who I've been feeling all sorts of hurt/angry/betrayed feelings towards, and felt incredibly tender and fond towards him, all over again. He's very young, and very bad at dealing with a lot of things, and he still chooses to keep trying to live. He gets the option between the lovely blank void and living and...he chooses to live.

Anyway, immediately after that I wrenched 1000 words of Quentin-centered sadness out of my head, and I am feeling, well. All sorts of things, but very fond of Quentin, again. I also read the first Magicians book over the weekend, which might have something to do with it (I liked book!Q more than I thought I would, but show!Q is in a class of his own). And I'm writing Quentin again, which is great news for my WIPs, although I am feeling comfortable wading around writing Eliot, so....might stick with that for a while longer. We'll see! It's nice to have untangled this particular mess a bit.

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cw, again, for discussions of suicide and suicidal ideation

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it's up!

May. 9th, 2019 07:30 pm
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I am weirdly nervous about it, but I think that's because this is my first serious crack at getting into Eliot's head, and I have no idea if I succeeded. Anyway, part 1 is up, which means I can stop obsessively revising it and go on to finishing the second part.

all our unwanted pieces left under the ice (3287 words) by patrokla
Chapters: 1/4
Fandom: The Magicians (TV)
Rating: Mature
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Quentin Coldwater/Eliot Waugh, Margo Hanson/Eliot Waugh, Margo Hanson & Eliot Waugh
Characters: Eliot Waugh, Margo Hanson, Quentin Coldwater, Fen (The Magicians), Tick Pickwick
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Aftermath of Possession, Canadian Shack, Drunk Sex, Queer Friendship, a lot of emotions for something that was supposed to be tropey!, Other Additional Tags to Be Added
Summary:

"The Long Winter, as Eliot remembers it, and as Tick still insists on explaining twice that day, is exactly as it sounds: a long fucking winter."


Or, the one where Eliot, Margo, and Quentin get snowed in at Castle Whitespire.

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Me, walking home from work, planning out the last revisions for the first part of the long winter fic: oh fuck i forgot to write about magic
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In which I complain about some writing difficulties.
(cw references to depression and suicide, largely Quentin-related)

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I keep writing fics I didn't mean to write instead of working on my 2.5 longfics that I do mean to write...

empty promises, empty promises (1052 words) by patrokla
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: The Magicians (TV)
Rating: Not Rated
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Quentin Coldwater/Eliot Waugh
Characters: Eliot Waugh, Quentin Coldwater, Margo Hanson, Alice Quinn
Additional Tags: Post-Canon, Post-Episode: s04e13 No Better To Be Safe Than Sorry, Bitterness, in which the author projects a great deal, Ambiguous/Open Ending
Summary:

Two months and four days after Quentin dies, Eliot sees him in the bathroom mirror.

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I'm planning on going back and posting links to my recent fics, but here is the newest:

unfurl and show every color (3185 words) by patrokla
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: The Magicians (TV)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Quentin Coldwater/Eliot Waugh
Characters: Eliot Waugh, Quentin Coldwater
Additional Tags: Oysters Rockefeller AU, Past Child Abuse, Psychological Trauma, how to tag..., basically an AU from the hale appleman cinematic universe, excessive secret garden references
Summary:

Eliot has never seen the sun.

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